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May 15.2013

First i would like to state i know i make alot of errors but plese bare with me.

here is my issue i am a developer meaning i do C++,php,javascript and that is what i really like being able to use logic to solve problems but recently i thaught to give the freelance thing a try(im 17). Thing id thogh i am not new to html and or css and how they are used i just cannot seem to get my sites to look great and trust me i have read alot to help. what makes it worse i see sites that i know take less effort than what i do but by far look better. i use to think if i knowed how to get all my divs where i wanted them i could do anything seems i was wrong.

I mostly do raw codeing but have tried photoshop and hated it, tried fireworks and love it(well it makes doing the layout easier than refreshing the page in notedpad or dreamweaver)

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those are some that i have alredy done

can any great deigner or decent handcoder help me out what is it i need to improve or is it something i just dont have.

i alse have 2 screenshots of things i have done please help

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@zandaauthorMay 15.2013 — cant take full cred for the rpg one my layout bit help from some1 here
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@zandaauthorMay 15.2013 — heelllllp
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@Frank62May 20.2013 — They look like decent sites to me. What exactly is your problem? Do you have a technical problem, or is it a matter of not having the inspiration that you would like to have?
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@zandaauthorMay 20.2013 — They look like decent sites to me. What exactly is your problem? Do you have a technical problem, or is it a matter of not having the inspiration that you would like to have?[/QUOTE]

I dont think its a technical problem as far as coding and coding issues go google has been my friend and i'm sure im at least proficient in that. I just have not been able to make the sites look as profetional as i would like. i have spent days since this post researchimg how to use fonts,color ect. and to understand as a developer what is my target audience and how my design should appeal to that target. I am yet to try something since then but if you have any advice at all any secrets/techniques or resourcces you would like to shear i would be extremly gratefull. i think the most comfeting i have heard so far is that U.I design is not art but a form of programming
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@Frank62May 20.2013 — I don't know what you mean with the last sentence, but here is a site with examples of modern designs: http://www.csselite.com/category/showcase.
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@zandaauthorMay 20.2013 — I don't know what you mean with the last sentence, but here is a site with examples of modern designs: http://www.csselite.com/category/showcase.[/QUOTE]

Thank you and what i meant to say is that being a developer by nature the most comferting to i have heard in my struggles to learn how to design websites is that doing so is a form of programming rather than art
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@Frank62May 20.2013 — To be a successful designer you need both artistic talent and technical know-how. And a few more things, such as knowing where/how to find clients.
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@auntniniMay 20.2013 — Your samples are interesting. At 17, black background may seem psychedelic and dramatic, but a softer neutral color would be more functional in most cases. The point is that, when you have real content and a target market, the basic purpose of a developer should be to deliver that content i a functional manner. The design shuld enhance the content, not distract from it

You might enjoy trying to develop "responsive" layouts that can transition from desktop screens to mobile devices.
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@zandaauthorMay 21.2013 — To be a successful designer you need both artistic talent and technical know-how. And a few more things, such as knowing where/how to find clients.[/QUOTE]

I havent had problem finding clients. but i have had makeing something they like. I work for dirt so thats the thing

Your samples are interesting. At 17, black background may seem psychedelic and dramatic, but a softer neutral color would be more functional in most cases. The point is that, when you have real content and a target market, the basic purpose of a developer should be to deliver that content i a functional manner. The design shuld enhance the content, not distract from it

You might enjoy trying to develop "responsive" layouts that can transition from desktop screens to mobile devices.[/QUOTE]

i have been triying with that whole 960 grid system. But you have a point might as well learn both at the same time they have various methods to do this however. i did not really consider the thing with the pink guids tht auto adjust i dont really like working with things that have been............too pre-made. i suppose that is dumb though why re-invent the wheel is that the method you were reffering to?
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@Frank62May 21.2013 — I havent had problem finding clients. but i have had makeing something they like. I work for dirt so thats the thing[/QUOTE]
Then you need a different strategy. You should give your clients two choices:
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  • [*]The client draws his site, on paper or otherwise, or otherwise makes clear how their site should look. You should give them the address I gave you so that they can get ideas.

  • [*]The client leaves the design up to you, but then you should work on an hourly basis rather than on a contract basis (correct English term?).

    • [/LIST]
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    @zandaauthorMay 23.2013 — Then you need a different strategy. You should give your clients two choices:
    [LIST=1]
  • [*]The client draws his site, on paper or otherwise, or otherwise makes clear how their site should look. You should give them the address I gave you so that they can get ideas.

  • [*]The client leaves the design up to you, but then you should work on an hourly basis rather than on a contract basis (correct English term?).

    • [/LIST]    [/QUOTE]

    i often encourage them to do it in photoshop and then ill build it but most of my clients are people who just know thery want a website that tells the world about what they do....so usually im on my own. And yes that is the correct english
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    @zandaauthorMay 24.2013 — well i feel even more lost now i really dont think any progress has been made my designs still look amateurish.i havent convered this into a webpage as yet but here is what i did in fireworks.

    any advice ?[ATTACH]15603[/ATTACH]

    anyone that uses fireworks may edit as they please and show me

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    @zandaauthorMay 24.2013 — sorry about the low quality it was in png and this uploader must have converted it... here is the original wireframe i made on mockflow given the fireworks limitations this is how it should have looked on the web plus color and header[ATTACH]15605[/ATTACH]

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    @zandaauthorMay 25.2013 — Ok here new wireframe that i made i think this one is a winner but lets see how i make it with the colors ect. applied [ATTACH]15613[/ATTACH]

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