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Jan 08.2006

I’m wondering if it’s OK to assume most people can display java script when browsing internet, and they don’t need to change anytthing in the browser settings to do it?
Does the answer depend on when the internet browser was updated?
Let’s say the www will have some sort of security certificate.
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@balloonbuffoonJan 08.2006 — Yeah, the default setting in browsers is usually javascript enabled but it won't be if the user disables it manually.
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@notageekauthorJan 08.2006 — thanks,

What's the easiest way to display a message (from html or js) if the user has js disabled?
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@CytaelJan 08.2006 — <noscript>your message here</noscript>
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@notageekauthorJan 08.2006 — Thanks
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@felgallJan 09.2006 — About 10% of people either have disable Javascript in their browser or are using a browser that doesn't support Javascript. For example I am not aware of any web reader that supports Javascript (it would be a bit hard for it to tell you how the animation is moving across your non-existant window anyway with that type of browser).
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@CharlesJan 09.2006 — About 10% of people either have disable Javascript in their browser or are using a browser that doesn't support Javascript. For example I am not aware of any web reader that supports Javascript (it would be a bit hard for it to tell you how the animation is moving across your non-existant window anyway with that type of browser).[/QUOTE]So do not use the NOSCRIPT element to display a message like "Please enable JavaScript". That would be just as insulting as telling blind people to open their eyes. "Please forgive me, but I'm not competent enough to make a web page that actually works" would be better but best is to make a page that works well with or without JavaScript.
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@JPnycJan 09.2006 — I'm wondering if it's OK to assume most people can display java script when browsing internet, and they don't need to change anytthing in the browser settings to do it?

Does the answer depend on when the internet browser was updated?

Let's say the www will have some sort of security certificate.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Depends who your audience will be. Most of those who disable JS are "tech-heads" and if you use a JS menu, as long as it's not the old fashioned method of writing the menu to the document (as opposed to coding it into the page and hiding/showing via JS/CSS) then audio browsers should not be impeded either.
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@notageekauthorJan 10.2006 — About 10% of people either have disable Javascript in their browser or are using a browser that doesn't support Javascript.[/QUOTE]
I can probably 'sacrafice' 10%, although it depends how this 10% correlates with my target audience.
For example I am not aware of any web reader that supports Javascript (it would be a bit hard for it to tell you how the animation is moving across your non-existant window anyway with that type of browser).[/QUOTE]Forgive my ignorance, but what is a web reader? You're not talking 'Palm' nor 'Blackberry'? For the two I just mentioned, I might consider the page as a commercial of the actual full-size page.
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@notageekauthorJan 10.2006 — So do not use the NOSCRIPT element to display a message like "Please enable JavaScript". That would be just as insulting as telling blind people to open their eyes. "Please forgive me, but I'm not competent enough to make a web page that actually works" would be better but best is to make a page that works well with or without JavaScript.[/QUOTE]
The truth is I can't write a page that does what I want without java script, without compromising functionality. I'm far from an expert in web page design, although my page is constantly being improved (in a snail pace though - this is not my day job).
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@notageekauthorJan 10.2006 — Depends who your audience will be. Most of those who disable JS are "tech-heads" and if you use a JS menu, as long as it's not the old fashioned method of writing the menu to the document (as opposed to coding it into the page and hiding/showing via JS/CSS) then audio browsers should not be impeded either.[/QUOTE]
Man, I've got a lot to learn: what is an audio browser?
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@CharlesJan 10.2006 — Man, I've got a lot to learn: what is an audio browser?[/QUOTE]One that speaks the words on the page so that a blind person might surf the web. It's just one of many types of browsers adapted for persons with different abilities. According to the laws of God you [i]must[/i] make your page accessible to these persons. According to the laws of man only certain pages must be. In the US for instance, any web page having to do with employment, government or public accomodation/commerce must be accessible under the ADA. Other countries have different regulations and I understand that your more enlightned country has stricter laws.

See http://diveintoaccessibility.org/ and http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/ .
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@notageekauthorJan 11.2006 — Thanks for the links. I feel like I've been living in a cave for the last few years. Oh, well.
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