Linux System?

@Dark_DragonMay 27.2004

~~[COLOR=darkblue]~~Does anyone currently use the Linux System? If so, how well does it work for you and what version are you using?

I ask because I am having trouble finding information on the Linux Operating System…so many versions but so little direct information on them.

Will most programs operate on Linux such as DreamWeaver, Photoshop and so forth?

Also..is Linux a stand-alone program or is it built on top of windows or do I just have to bite the bullet and reformat the hd to install it.

Thank you for any info you might have.[/COLOR]

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@PeOfEoMay 27.2004 — #I used to run suse. It works fine, but it is a pain in the butt to use day to day. Not as many game titles either :p . Basically how many hard drives do you have? I would not want to put windows and linux on the same drive, I keep them separate if possible. If you can't do that you will have to parition up your 1 hard drive, and I hate to slice up a drive. DW, photoshop, and other software like this should work, the version will either work for all platforms or they will have a special linux version or something.

@Dark_DragonauthorMay 27.2004 — #[COLOR=darkred]Okay..well, I have just one HD and, like you, I really am not to enthralled with the idea of partioning.

However what version do you use now.and what one would be the easiest yet most flexible to use?

Oh and thank you for your response..I ask because I am hesitant to upgrade to Windows 2000..I messed around with Windows XP at a few stores and to tell you the truth, I am not impressed..the only reason I would upgrade to 2000 is to get better drivers as well as files that support large HD's..currently I have a 60 Gig HD on my Windows 98 SE and it works okay but I suspect that because it cannot fully support such large drives, this may be giving me some boot up problems once in awhile.

Blue Screen errors show up where as when I had 10 Gig drives, that never happened....so I am not sure what to do.[/COLOR]

@PeOfEoMay 27.2004 — #... XP is more stable then the stereotype. I never blue screen, I have in the past when I was overclocking, but those were the only times when I have blue screened, actually I take that back, I have when there have been some other hardware problems, but it has always been hardware related. When you have less then, I think its 500mb, maybe a gb depending on pageing file, left on your machine, xp will give you error messages (alert box, not blue screen) telling you to free up space, thats when you should delete uneccessary crap. Why on earth would you not run windows 2k3, windows 2k, or xp, why would you run a non nt based windows os? The non nt based windows oss are a lot more unstable then the nt based ones, the nt based ones are actually very stable. Windows 98 se is slower, less stable, will have less titles, and is frankley more of a pain in the but to use then xp.

As far as linux goes, I like suse the best. It beats red hat and mandrake hands down imo.

@Dark_DragonauthorMay 27.2004 — #[COLOR=indigo]Well..I do not use the NT versions because I do not run any servers and it appears to be more complicated than it need be.

I just want to power up and get going...I need it to be user friendly.

But..I also look into Linux because I am sick of Microsoft and their monopolistic ways of doing business.

Anyways thanks for the info..I appreciate it.[/COLOR]

@PeOfEoMay 27.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by Dark Dragon [/i]

[B][COLOR=indigo]Well..I do not use the NT versions because I do not run any servers and it appears to be more complicated than it need be.

I just want to power up and get going...I need it to be user friendly.

But..I also look into Linux because I am sick of Microsoft and their monopolistic ways of doing business.

Anyways thanks for the info..I appreciate it.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

But..I also look into Linux because I am sick of Microsoft and their monopolistic ways of doing business.[/quote] Microsoft is not a monopoly for God's sake! We need to get you in a microecon class now! They are in competition with freebsd, mac, linux, solaris and other operating systems, and they put their products on their operating system but are still in competition with other companies, because there are substitue goods they are not a monopoly, they do not have control complet control over the price of their product. Microsoft is in monopolistic competition / or are an oligopoly, but they do not have full control and still charge a market price. Ever notice that adobe photoshop and dreamweaver are expencive as crap too?

Well..I do not use the NT versions because I do not run any servers and it appears to be more complicated than it need be.

I just want to power up and get going...I need it to be user friendly.[/quote] windows nt is not just for servers, everything above windows me is windows nt, and it is much more user friendly, much more stable, and faster. NTFS is the file system, it is a change from fat32, and it will allow the system to run faster and it will be more stable, the same way winfs is going to be when longhorn comes out a few years from now. XP and other nt based oss are not complicated, infact windows xp is probably the easiest version of windows to use at this time.

@Dark_DragonauthorMay 27.2004 — #[COLOR=darkblue]Huh. Okay..I see..and I thank you for the help. Is Linux easy to use too?

Okay..I have another question..this time about Virus Protection Software..I don't want to make another thread...I have used Norton and Symantec and both were not impressive to me..in fact sometimes they seemed to miss lots of things so is there any other realible programs?

Thanks again for the help PeOfEo ?

@PeOfEoMay 27.2004 — #I use pccillin and common sence to keep from getting virii (I just make sure I dont download mp3.exe on kazaa, and make sure my mom stops opening attachments, grrr!)

Linux is not super hard to use, but it is not as easy as windows. It just gets annoying using linux after... a day. The coolness sort of wears off, and you sort of want to slice the head off of that annoying little penguine tux.

@Dark_DragonauthorMay 27.2004 — #PC Cillin and Common Sense..yeah..I see. Thanks for all your help..I appreciate it.

@ray326May 27.2004 — # Microsoft is not a monopoly for God's sake![/QUOTE]
That's true. Microsoft is a monopoly for it's OWN sake.

@AdamGundryMay 27.2004 — #I'm writing this on my Mandrake Linux 10 machine, which dual boots to Windows XP, though I hardly ever use the latter. I've generally found that GNU/Linux is fine, provided you can be bothered to spend the time to get it to work. The advantage of Windows is that things generally work for it automatically.

By all means try Linux, as long as you're not afraid to fiddle about with command lines occasionally. It's certainly worth it - this machine has much more functionality than any of my Windows boxes and the OS cost nothing. Oh, and I don't have to worry about virii.

Adam

@The_CheatMay 27.2004 — #http://linuxiso.org is a good site ?

@PeOfEoMay 27.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by ray326 [/i]

[B]That's true. Microsoft is a monopoly for it's OWN sake. [/B][/QUOTE] Microsoft is not a monopoly at all.

back to linux. Like I said, the only two I use are suse (which I do not have running at the moment) and konoppix, just because it will run from cd... its always handy to have an os that will run from cd. Its a little quicker to use then dos for data recovery on a dieing hard drive, or when copying a new file over a corrupted one (though I find myself putting in a dos boot disk more often)

@ray326May 28.2004 — # Microsoft is not a monopoly at all.[/QUOTE] Sorry but that was the ruling in both the Federal anti-trust suits brought against them; they are a monopoly and abusive of their monopolistic position. So far that hasn't sunk into BG or MB either because they haven't changed a lick of their behavior since the days they were screwing DR-DOS users.

Back to Linux - I like Mandrake a lot for desktop use but there are definitely some misconceptions about Linux in general. One is that it is less crackable than Windows. In fact more commercial Linux hosts were compromised last year than Win2k hosts. The "safest" OS on the Internet is BSD.

@PeOfEoMay 31.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by ray326 [/i]

[B]Sorry but that was the ruling in both the Federal anti-trust suits brought against them; they are a monopoly and abusive of their monopolistic position. So far that hasn't sunk into BG or MB either because they haven't changed a lick of their behavior since the days they were screwing DR-DOS users.[/B][/QUOTE] They are in no way a monopoly, infact if they were windows would be a lot more expencive, other products would be more expencive. The fact that they have to compete with others still proves they are not a monopoly. They are a price taker not a price setter. The anti trust suits are absurt, infact the recent one in europe is about them putting windows media player on their os. ITS THEIR OS, IF THEY WANT TO CRAM IT WITH MEDIA PLAYER AND ITS COMPONENTS AS PART OF IT THEN WHAT IS THE PROBLEM!!? The anti trust suits before did not say microsoft is a monopoly, they basically slapped microsoft into giving up its source code to down stream software makers who needed it to design their products, microsoft is complying with that today. So how in the heck to you figure that microsoft is a monopoly. My economics professor cringes whenever someone uses microsoft as an example of a monoply.

@ray326Jun 01.2004 — #So how in the heck to you figure that microsoft is a monopoly.[/QUOTE] I guess one could quibble over whether a company that is found in violation of the Sherman Anti-trust Act [b]twice[/b] is a "monopoly". <retorical>So what term was applied to Standard Oil?</retorical>

@PeOfEoJun 01.2004 — #It is not a monopoly by definition because it is not the only company in its feild and no one is being forced to use it, so how has it violated sherman? The lawsuits were over ms not being open source and not giving up its source code, and it complied.

@ray326Jun 02.2004 — #Obviously you haven't bother to read either of the verdicts.

@Robert_WellockJun 03.2004 — #Knoppix Linux if you want to test the water.

M$ is affectedly a monopoly in certain fields hence why there were lawsuits about unfavourable practices with its Media Player being bundled with the OS, let alone the Netscape issue... The Corporation as a whole isn't because it had to adjust it's tactics.

@PeOfEoJun 03.2004 — #two threads about business side by side. Well I did my big explanation about why I feel ms is not a monoploy and why the government should not mess around with the market, and how that if left along monopolys and cartels cannot occur using game theory and all.... I am not interested in getitng in two debates/arguements about the same thing lol. I think the media player thing the eu is whining about is pretty silly, how come the eu is so mad about media player comeing with windows? Doesn't mac come with quick time? I don't understand that whole situation.

@NevermoreJun 03.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by PeOfEo [/i]

[B]two threads about business side by side. Well I did my big explanation about why I feel ms is not a monoploy and why the government should not mess around with the market, and how that if left along monopolys and cartels cannot occur using game theory and all.... I am not interested in getitng in two debates/arguements about the same thing lol. I think the media player thing the eu is whining about is pretty silly, how come the eu is so mad about media player comeing with windows? Doesn't mac come with quick time? I don't understand that whole situation. [/B][/QUOTE]

[b]1)[/b] PeOfEo is exactly right, Microsoft is not a monopoly, there is still competition. If they either began creating computer hardware or stamped out all other desktop OSes, they could become a monopoly. Monopoly: "Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service" (Src: dictionary.com). If Windows only came on Microsoft made machines (or machines by any one other company, in affiliation with Microsoft), that would be a monopoly because they would control the supply of PCs for the business market; if they stamped out other OSes they would control the OS market. Either way they could increase prices as high as they wanted with no problems. That is a sign of a monopoly.

[b]2)[/b] The objection is to the fact that they have created a favourable market position with one product and are using it to force people to install their other programs. You are right about Mac and QuickTime, but the Mac OS isn't forced upon businesses in the same way as Windows. (By which I mean by expectations, not by Microsoft themselves; it is very difficult to sell a business using free Linux apps as a serious venture).

[b]3)[/b] Let's put this off topic subject behind us now. Want to dicuss it? Start a new thread in the coffee lounge.

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@PeOfEoJun 03.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by cijori [/i]

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<----No more posts about monopolies below this line.----> [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, nothing else, because there is a massive thread right below it with plenty of economic talk in it.

@Robert_WellockJun 04.2004 — #Monopoly is a famous board game in relation to percentage of market share.

@NevermoreJun 04.2004 — #[i]Originally posted by cijori [/i]

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OK, you found a loophole:

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@PeOfEoJun 04.2004 — #robert, what is XYZZY? How do you pronounce that (ok I know it is hard to demonstrate on the forum, but can you give me a little pronunciation key?)

@ray326Jun 04.2004 — #xyzzy is the magic word in the original Adventure. It gets no respect in Zork.

@PeOfEoJun 06.2004 — #alright.... ANYONE SEEN HARRY POTTER YET? well this is better for the general section.

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