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Feb 01.2008

index.htm is the usual starting page of any NO-Frames site. It is page where all meta tags are fixed ready for the search engines and crawlers.
[SIZE=”2″][COLOR=”Magenta”]<Meta Name=”Keywords” . . .> [/COLOR][/SIZE]
[COLOR=”magenta”][SIZE=”2″]<Meta Name=”Description” . . .> and so on…[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Switching the site into Frames site, often the new index.htm becomes nothing more than the contraction structure of the other frames of the site and has not much text in it.
Search Engines ranking evaluate the applicability of the Keywords (mentioned in the Meta Tag) with their appearance frequency in the text of the page. The new body.htm page (which is in one of the frames) is the one which contains the main substance of the site instead of index.htm.
When the search engine crawler enters the newly created index.htm, it doesn’t find much to evaluate as the page is nearly empty.
[COLOR=”Blue”]The question is: Where all the Meta Tags in a site constructed with Frames should appear and why? [/COLOR]?

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@WebJoelFeb 01.2008 — Most Search Engines/spiders/'bots ignore META-data tags these days due to rampant abuse in the last decade. Google for instance, ignores them entirely. Some 'bots do continue to read them, but they are over-rated these days.

Semantic content (and that include FRAME-less) is better for getting keyword density published, crawled and indexed.
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@dtm32236Feb 01.2008 — WebJoel is right - there is little weight put on keyword and description tags... it is still suggested to use them, but they won't help your search results at all.

why would you switch to a Frames site? they're kinda done with...
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@MarkartauthorFeb 01.2008 — WebJoel is right - there is little weight put on keyword and description tags... it is still suggested to use them, but they won't help your search results at all.

why would you switch to a Frames site? they're kinda done with...[/QUOTE]

I think frames site with horizontal upper frame allows for symmetrical continuity when pages were changed in the lower frame by pages selection caused by frames menu.
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@dtm32236Feb 01.2008 — use a PHP or SSI included header

[url=http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html]read this[/url]

then read up on (google) "PHP includes" or "SSI includes"

you really should try not to use frames - there's better ways to do what you're trying to do.
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@dtm32236Feb 01.2008 — i didn't realize that the article was from 1996 - but that's when frames were still widely used... and they still 'sucked'.

a few reasons why:

* Not possible to bookmark

* Print problems

* Authoring problems (others stealing your content by displaying it in their own frameset)

* Search engine problems
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@MarkartauthorFeb 01.2008 — Hi

I just wonder how:

[COLOR="Blue"][B] Authoring problems (others steeling your content by displaying it in their own frameset)[/B][/COLOR]
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@dtm32236Feb 01.2008 — that's kinda stupid (i just copied those four point from another website)

but it could happen - i forget how frames/framesets work, but someone can easily do:

<frameset src="http://www.yoursite.com/your-stolen-content.html">

i don't know if that syntax is correct - it's literally been about 9 years since i've used frames...

and i'm not trying to call you out on it, or say that you're an idiot for using frames - they seemingly do have some great benefits - but in reality they're completely unecessary and only cause problems.

i just want to point this out to you, so that you may want to reconsider using them in the future.
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@MarkartauthorFeb 01.2008 — Hi dtm32236

Thank you very much for your comments. I am pretty sure they were useful. I've just thought frames causes problems only to me. It seems that they are out of date. Thanks
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@dtm32236Feb 01.2008 — no problem - good luck with the site...

and again, google doesn't weigh description and keywords for your page rank or search result ranks... so i wouldn't worry about it much.
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@WebJoelFeb 01.2008 — If you really *must* use a FRAME-like layout, -why not use "<object>"?<object type="text/html" data="[B]http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum[/B]" style="width:751px; height:475px;"></object>[/QUOTE] Except you would create your own [B]data="yourPage.html" [/B]and use the correct path, and thus YOUR page displays in the stated width/height.
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@felgallFeb 02.2008 — To answer the original question about which frames to put meta tags in.

Each frame is effectively a separate web page and each web page is ranked separately by the search engines independently of all other pages. If you are going to use meta tags then they should go in EVERY PAGE. Where you use frames then each page loading into a frame should have its own meta tags.

That said, the best solution for getting standard header/footer/navigation on a page is by using server side processing of some sort to combine all the content into one page - as indicated by prior posters in this thread.
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@MarkartauthorFeb 02.2008 — I would like to thank all participants who responded to this thread. Hoping their enrichment to this tiny topic will help many other readers
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