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Beautiful in FF… IE6? not so much.

Hello
I have a layout in the works that shows up perfectly in FF but is giving me headaches in IE.

Other than the non-existing “alt” tags, both css and html have been checked in W3C validator.

Take a gander at the code and show me some code that will be consistant in most browsers.

BIG humble thanks in advance!

~frankie
CSS:

[CODE]

* {
border : 0;
margin : 0;
padding : 0;
}
body {
margin-top : 20px;
padding : 0;
background-color : #ccc;
font-family : Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 11px;
color : #000000;
background-image : url(images/BG.gif);
background-repeat : repeat-x;
}
#container {
width : 800px;
margin : 0 auto;
}
#top {
background : url(images/top.gif) no-repeat;
height : 37px;
width : 800px;
margin : 0;
}
#banner img {
margin-top : -10px;
margin-left : 20px;
border : none;
}
#content {
background-image : url(images/middle1.gif);
background-repeat : repeat-y;
width : 800px;
margin : 0;
float : left;
}
#nav {
height : 150px;
width : 150px;
text-align : left;
list-style : none;
padding : 0;
}
#nav li {
margin-bottom : 10px;
}
#nav a {
height : 50px;
line-height : 10px;
text-decoration : none;
font-weight : bold;
color : #669900;
margin-left : 50px;
margin-top : 50px;
}
#nav a:hover {
color : #cccccc;
}
#leftcontent {
width : 150px;
font-size : 15px;
margin-top : 150px;
margin-right : 0;
margin-bottom : 0;
margin-left : 0;
float : left;
}
#centercontent {
float : left;
voice-family : “”;}””;
voice-family : inherit;
margin-top : 60px;
margin-left : 0;
width : 400px;
overflow : auto;
}
#centercontent img {
height : 72px;
margin-top : 0;
margin-right : 5px;
margin-bottom : 5px;
margin-left : 0;
border : none;
float : left;
}
#rightcontent {
width : 162px;
background-image : url(images/bgImage.gif);
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-position : right 0%;
height : 325px;
float : right;
margin-top : 60px;
margin-right : 0;
margin-bottom : 0;
margin-left : 0;
}
#banner {
background : url(images/mantra.gif) no-repeat right 0%;
voice-family : “”;}””;
margin-top : 0;
margin-right : 20px;
margin-bottom : 0;
margin-left : 0;
voice-family : inherit;
}
html > body #banner {
height : 39px;
}
h1 {
font-size : 14px;
margin : 0;
}
#banner h1 {
font-size : 1px;
padding : 10px 10px 0;
margin : 0;
color : #ffffff;
}
#rightcontent p {
font-size : 10px;
}
.imgText {
text-align : left;
}
input {
border : 1px solid #66cc00;
background-color : #ffffff;
}
textarea {
height : 85px;
width : 330px;
border : 1px solid #66cc00;
}
.submit {
height : 30px;
width : 30px;
background-image : url(images/goButton.gif);
border : none;
float : left;
margin : 10px 0 0;
font-size : 0;
}
.phone {
margin-top : 0;
margin-right : 0;
margin-bottom : 0;
margin-left : 3px;
}
.post {
text-align : center;
vertical-align : middle;
}
.footer {
font-size : 1em;
color : #999999;
text-align : center;
margin : 10px 0 0;
}
#footer {
background-image : url(images/bottom.gif);
height : 35px;
width : 800px;
margin : 0;
float : left;
}
.client {
margin : 10px 0 0;
float : left;
}
.client a {
font-size : 18px;
font-weight : bold;
color : #669900;
margin-top : 10px;
text-decoration : none;
}
.client a:hover {
color : #cccccc;
text-decoration : none;
}

[/CODE]

HTML:

[CODE]
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN” “DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd”>
<html>
<head>
<title>A Graphic Design Service by Green Eye Creations – Quality Graphic Design
and Web Design</title>
<link href=”style.css” rel=”stylesheet” type=”text/css” />
<link rel=”shortcut icon” href=”images/favicon.ico” />
</head>
<body>
<div id=”container”>
<div id=”top”></div>
<div id=”content”>
<div id=”banner”>
<h1><img src=”images/logo.gif” width=”224″ height=”142 ” border=”0″ usemap=”#Map” />
<map name=”Map” id=”Map”>
<area shape=”circle” coords=”45,46,45″ href=”index.php” />
<area shape=”rect” coords=”94,40,223,55″ href=”index.php” />
</map>
green eye creations – quality graphic design</h1>
</div>
<div id=”leftcontent”>
<ul id=”nav”>
<li><a href=”index.php”>home</a></li>
<li><a href=”services.php”>services</a></li>
<li><a href=”clients.php”>clients</a></li>
<li><a href=”contact.php”>contact</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div id=”centercontent”>
<h1>Our Focus</h1>
All projects of our most recent clients are listed below.
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/LMStn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>Laura
Marie Studios</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Web Design and Development<br/>
Online Art Gallery<br/>
Mesa, Arizona<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/TRIPHONICtn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>Triphonic
Productions</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Web/Multimedia Design and Development<br/>
Music Production Studio<br/>
San Francisco, California<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/FFPCtn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>Fur
and Feather Pet Care</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Logo, Web Design and Development, Business Card, Stationary<br/>
Pet Sitters<br/>
Alajuella, Costa Rica<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/DLRtn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>DLR
Studios</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Print Design, Web Design and Development<br/>
Wedding Photo Journalism<br/>
San Francisco, California<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/SCLtn.gif” width=”72″ height=”72″ /></a>
<a href=”#” class=”imgText”>Skin Care by Lilia</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Business Card<br/>
Licensed Aesthetician<br/>
Phoenix, Arizona<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/REFLEXtn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>Reflex</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Print Design, Logo Develpoment, CD Cover Art<br/>
Music and Event Production<br/>
San Francisco, California<br/>
</div>
<div class=”client”><a href=”#”><img src=”images/CYPH3Rtn.gif” /></a> <a href=”#” class=”imgText”>CYPH3R
Collective</a><br/>
<b>Project:</b><br/>
Print Design, CD Cover Art<br/>
Event Production<br/>
San Francisco, California<br/>
</div>
</div>
<div id=”rightcontent”></div>
<div id=”footer”></div>
</div>
<p class=”footer”> Copyright © 2006 – 2007 Green Eye Creations </p>
</div>
</body>
</html>

[/CODE]

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@WebJoelMar 21.2007 — Are you using a valid !doctype? That is generally the fist thing I'd suspect. Next, I usually put in some default font-sizes and then [I]re-set[/I] them to what I need. I do see that you have a font-size indicated on "body".

What about this page looks different to IE6 from Fx? Font-sizes, padding or margins, etc.?
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@cuttyfranksauthorMar 21.2007 — Thanks Joel

My issues are mostly positioning. For example, the "centercontent" div will have too much space above it, but looks fine in FF. The doctype is valid.
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@WebJoelMar 21.2007 — To your CSS, try adding as the [I]first[/I] line:

  • * {padding:0; margin:0;}

    That will remove default padding & margins from everything. Fx does this anyway so it won't make any diff to it, but you will probably see compliancy results in IE. You may however, now need next add padding and/or margins to other things (because the code above removed [I]their[/I] values as well).
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    @cuttyfranksauthorMar 21.2007 — Um...heh Joel,

    Not sure if you saw my first post, but I do have the *{mrgin,padding} you mentioned in my first line along with the valid doctype.

    Still struggling over here.

    HELP!
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    @aswebdesignMar 21.2007 — Can you post the link of the site your trying to fix?
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    @lotuzwineMar 21.2007 — some properties in some places will work in firefox but not in IE. For example, I sometimes use margin for position issue, and it just does not work in IE and works in FF. Just try changing some margins to paddings, or paddings to margins
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    @WebJoelMar 21.2007 — Um...heh Joel,

    Not sure if you saw my first post, but I do have the *{margin,padding} you mentioned in my first line along with the valid doctype.

    Still struggling over here.

    HELP![/QUOTE]
    Actually I did see that you had that... -[I]you took the bait so here goes[/I]: by so using * {margin:0; padding:0;} you do not need to bloat-up your code with things like this:

    #content {

    background-image : url(images/middle1.gif);

    background-repeat : repeat-y;

    width : 800px;

    [B]margin : 0;[/B]

    float : left;

    }

    -It does not harm... but neither does this:

    #content {

    background-image : url(images/middle1.gif);

    background-repeat : repeat-y;

    width : 800px;

    [B]margin : 0;

    margin : 0;

    margin : 0;

    margin : 0;[/B]


    float : left;

    }

    ?

    Anyway, -I'm looking at your code now (I was on the Linux side this A.M. and didn't have access to my fave html-editor, which is in the M$ side)...
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    @WebJoelMar 21.2007 — Try this. ? I am getting the same thing in IE as in Fx:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"

    "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

    <html><head>

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css" />

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Script-Type" content="text/javascript" />

    <title></title>

    <style type="text/css">

    * {border:0; padding:0; margin:0;}/* Set everything to "zero" */

    body {min-height:100%; height:101%;

    font:x-small Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;

    voice-family: ""}"";voice-family:inherit;

    font-size:small;/*for IE 5.5 */

    } html>body {font-size:small;}

    /*font-size: small; voice-family: ""}"";

    voice-family: inherit; font-size: medium;*
    /} /* Assist IE rendering height, keyword-font sizes, etc. */

    p {font-size: 90%; line-height:1.2em; margin-top:6px;}

    h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {font-family: 'times new roman', arial, verdana, serif; background-color:none;

    font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; margin:11px 0 0 10px;}

    h1{font-size: 1.93em; margin-top:12px;}

    h2{font-size: 1.72em; margin-top:12px;}

    h3{font-size: 1.52em; margin-top:12px;}

    h4{font-size: 1.42em; margin-top:12px;}

    h5{font-size: 1.32em; margin-top:12px;}

    h6{font-size: 1.21em; margin-top:12px;}


    body {background-color : #ccc;font-family : Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size : 11px;

    color : #000000;background-image : url(images/BG.gif);background-repeat : repeat-x;}

    #container {width : 800px;margin : 0 auto;}

    #top {background : url(images/top.gif) no-repeat;height : 37px;width : 800px;}

    #banner img {margin-top : -10px;margin-left : 20px;border : none;}

    #content {background-image : url(images/middle1.gif);background-repeat : repeat-y;width : 800px;}

    #nav {height : 150px;width : 150px;text-align : left;list-style : none;}

    #nav li {margin-bottom : 10px;}

    #nav a {height : 50px;line-height:1.0em; text-decoration : none;font-weight : bold;color : #669900;margin-left : 50px;

    margin-top : 50px;}

    #nav a:hover {color : #cccccc;}

    #leftcontent {width : 150px;font-size :15px; margin-top : 30px;float : left;}

    #centercontent {float : left; voice-family : "";}"";voice-family : inherit;

    margin-top:10px; width:400px; overflow : auto;}

    #centercontent img {height : 72px;margin-right : 5px;margin-bottom : 5px;border : none;float : left;}

    #rightcontent {width : 162px;background-image : url(images/bgImage.gif);background-repeat : no-repeat;background-position : right 0%;

    height : 325px;float : right;margin-top : 60px;}

    #banner {background : url(images/mantra.gif) no-repeat right 0%;

    voice-family : "";}"";margin-right : 20px;voice-family : inherit;}

    html > body #banner {

    height : 39px;

    }

    h1 {font-size : 14px;}

    #banner h1 {font-size : 1px;padding : 10px 10px 0;color : #ffffff;}

    #rightcontent p {font-size : 10px;}

    .imgText {text-align : left;}

    input {border : 1px solid #66cc00;background-color : #ffffff;}

    textarea {height : 85px;width : 330px;border : 1px solid #66cc00;}

    .submit {height : 30px;width : 30px;background-image : url(images/goButton.gif);border : none;

    float : left;margin : 10px 0 0;font-size : 0;}

    .phone {margin-left : 3px;}

    .post {text-align : center;vertical-align : middle;}

    .footer {font-size : 1em;color : #999999;text-align : center;margin : 10px 0 0;}

    #footer {background-image : url(images/bottom.gif);height : 35px;width : 800px;float : left;}

    .client {margin : 10px 0 0;float : left;}

    .client a {font-size : 18px;font-weight : bold;color : #669900;margin-top : 10px;text-decoration : none;}

    .client a:hover {color : #cccccc;text-decoration : none;}

    </style>


    <link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

    <link rel="shortcut icon" href="images/favicon.ico" />

    </head>

    <body>

    <div id="container">

    <div id="top"></div>

    <div id="content">

    <img src="images/logo.gif" width="224" height="142 " border="0" usemap="#Map" style="margin:15px 0 0 70px;" />
    <map name="Map" id="Map">
    <area shape="circle" coords="45,46,45" href="index.php" />
    <area shape="rect" coords="94,40,223,55" href="index.php" />
    </map>
    <h1 style="width:300px; margin-left:60px;">green eye creations - quality graphic design</h1>

    <div id="leftcontent">
    <ul id="nav">
    <li><a href="index.php">home</a></li>
    <li><a href="services.php">services</a></li>
    <li><a href="clients.php">clients</a></li>
    <li><a href="contact.php">contact</a></li>
    </ul>
    </div>
    <div id="centercontent">
    <h1>Our Focus</h1>
    All projects of our most recent clients are listed below.
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/LMStn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">Laura
    Marie Studios</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Web Design and Development<br/>
    Online Art Gallery<br/>
    Mesa, Arizona<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/TRIPHONICtn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">Triphonic
    Productions</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Web/Multimedia Design and Development<br/>
    Music Production Studio<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/FFPCtn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">Fur
    and Feather Pet Care</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Logo, Web Design and Development, Business Card, Stationary<br/>
    Pet Sitters<br/>
    Alajuella, Costa Rica<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/DLRtn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">DLR
    Studios</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Print Design, Web Design and Development<br/>
    Wedding Photo Journalism<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/SCLtn.gif" width="72" height="72" /></a>
    <a href="#" class="imgText">Skin Care by Lilia</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Business Card<br/>
    Licensed Aesthetician<br/>
    Phoenix, Arizona<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/REFLEXtn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">Reflex</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Print Design, Logo Develpoment, CD Cover Art<br/>
    Music and Event Production<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/>
    </div>
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/CYPH3Rtn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">CYPH3R
    Collective</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Print Design, CD Cover Art<br/>
    Event Production<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/>
    </div>
    </div>
    <div id="rightcontent"></div>
    <div id="footer"><p class="footer"> Copyright © 2006 - 2007 Green Eye Creations </p></div>

    </div>

    </div>

    </body>

    </html>[/QUOTE]
    A unnecessary DIV, and a "footer" with actual "footer text" in a <p></p> [I]after the close[/I] of "footer"... ? -And I took out a dozen+ instances of "padding:0;" and "margin:0;", -which are moot since you have " [U]* {padding:0; margin:0;}[/U] " anyway... ?
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    @cuttyfranksauthorMar 22.2007 — Much appreciate the effort, Joel! However, the layout is still not quite right. I've went ahead and put a page up so that all of you can see where I'm trying to take this:

    http://greeneyecreations.com/layout

    Take a look at it in IE6 and youi'll see the kinda mess that comes up.

    Thanks for the replies, everyone!?
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    @aswebdesignMar 22.2007 — Ok, much easier to see whats going on now. Looks like the main problem is because you haven't cleared your floats in the list of projects.

    In your css set a class .clear { clear:both;}

    Add <div class="clear"></div> after each </div> of each <div class="client">.
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    @WebJoelMar 22.2007 — Much appreciate the effort, Joel! However, the layout is still not quite right. I've went ahead and put a page up so that all of you can see where I'm trying to take this:

    http://greeneyecreations.com/layout

    Take a look at it in IE6 and youi'll see the kinda mess that comes up.

    Thanks for the replies, everyone!?[/QUOTE]
    I actually saw that last night after I uploaded the changes, -thought maybe you might catch it. Simply:

    <style>

    .client {width:100%; margin-bottom:6px;}

    </style>

    fixes it for IE. It forces the DIVs with class="client" to be 100% of the width of the container/parent, The margin-bottom is enough to prevent the image from touching if there is insufficient text to fill-up the DIV. ?

    the suggestion re: clearing float DIV after each ".client", -might work (haven't tried it), but that is going to be a lot of non-semantic mark-up to acheive an effect that the one line ".client {width:100%; margin-bottom:6px;}" does. (There are probably a few ways to do this and maybe my way could even be done better. -One could even bloat-up the page with "<br />"s after every DIV too and get the same result too I suppose. ?
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    @cuttyfranksauthorMar 22.2007 — Actually, I have the clearing floats up right now. It seems to work a little better although still looks nothing like FF rendering.

    I've also tried the other suggested code, with no luck.

    ?
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    @WebJoelMar 22.2007 — So many fingers in the pot... ?

    Try this (I added some inline styles to various containers, -looks the same to me on IE6 and Fx2.0.0.3

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"

    "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

    <html>

    <head>

    <title>A Graphic Design Service by Green Eye Creations - Quality Graphic Design

    and Web Design</title>

    <link href="[B]http://greeneyecreations.com[/B]/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /><!-- For testing purposes please make your URL to the stylesheet be ABSOLUTE PATH so we can see your page as you intended us to while working your code 'offline' in our HTML editor :-) -->

    <link rel="shortcut icon" href="images/favicon.ico" />

    <style>

    </style>

    </head>

    <body>

    <div id="container" [B]style="position:relative;[/B]">

    <div id="banner" [B]style="position:absolute; top:30px; width:90%; margin:25px auto;[/B]">

    <h1><img src="images/logo.gif" usemap="#Map" style="width:224px; height:142px; border:0"/>

    <map name="Map" id="Map">

    <area shape="circle" coords="45,46,45" href="index.php" />
    <area shape="rect" coords="94,40,223,55" href="index.php" />
    </map>
    green eye creations - quality graphic design</h1>
    </div>



    <div id="top"></div>

    <div id="content">

    <div id="leftcontent" [B]style="position:relative; top:28px;[/B]">
    <ul id="nav">
    <li><a href="index.php">home</a></li>

    <li><a href="services.php">services</a></li>
    <li><a href="clients.php">clients</a></li>
    <li><a href="contact.php">contact</a></li>
    </ul>
    </div>
    <div id="centercontent" [B]style="position:relative; left:15px; padding-top:120px; overflow:hidden; /* hides scrollbar due to padding-top, but which is NOT used */[/B]">
    <h1>Our Focus</h1>

    All projects of our most recent clients are listed below.
    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/LMStn.gif" /></a> <a href="#" class="imgText">Laura
    Marie Studios</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Web Design and Development<br/>
    Online Art Gallery<br/>
    Mesa, Arizona<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/TRIPHONICtn.gif" /></a><a href="#" class="imgText">Triphonic
    Productions</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Web/Multimedia Design and Development<br/>
    Music Production Studio<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/FFPCtn.gif" /></a><a href="#" class="imgText">Fur
    and Feather Pet Care</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Logo, Web Design and Development, Business Card,
    Stationary, Pet Sitters<br/>
    Alajuella, Costa Rica<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/DLRtn.gif" /></a><a href="#" class="imgText">DLR
    Studios</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Print Design, Web Design and Development<br/>
    Wedding Photo Journalism<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/SCLtn.gif" /></a>
    <a href="#" class="imgText">Skin Care by Lilia</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Business Card<br/>
    Licensed Aesthetician<br/>
    Phoenix, Arizona<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

    <div class="client"><a href="#"><img src="images/REFLEXtn.gif" /></a><a href="#" class="imgText">Reflex</a><br/>
    <b>Project:</b><br/>
    Print Design, Logo Develpoment, CD Cover Art<br/>
    Music and Event Production<br/>
    San Francisco, California<br/></div>
    <div class="clear"></div>

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