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Jun 02.2003

Hello,
I have a few tables set up, one as a header and a separate one for the content for the page. If a user has thier browser set to large fonts or pretty much anything larger than the regular size font, the tables get all dispositioned creating spaces inbetween graphics. Even in the table above the content containing no text at all. I’ve checked the site from different systems, and some of them come out dispositioned by default and some don’t. Is there anyway to lock table size or stop this from happening?

here is the site containing these tables [url]http://www.burlingtontelecom.com[/url]

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@IrDaJun 02.2003 — You can use css to lock users from changing the fonts

<style>

font { font-family:Verdana, Arial; font-size:8pt }

</style>
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@khakiJun 02.2003 — hi Xikron...

on quick glance...

it doesn't appear that you have set any font sizes for your text.

and if you don't control it yourself...

the user's browser will control it.

(that includes any "empty" text such as "& n b s p ;")

? k
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@pyroJun 02.2003 — [i]Originally posted by khaki [/i]

[B](that includes any "empty" text such as "& n b s p ;")[/B][/QUOTE]Did you know:

you can write &amp;nbsp by typing &amp;amp;nbsp;?
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@khakiJun 02.2003 — yeah...

but i think that I tried that once here (on the forum) and it still didn't come out all right.

(although I obviously typed it wrong... since you got it to show correctly :rolleyes: )

well... i'm certainly not known for my typing here :rolleyes: ... that's for sure

(well... unless your talking about the [I]quantity[/I] of it ? )

? k
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@XikronauthorJun 02.2003 — Thanks for the feedback, this forum has helped me out quite a bit. I am also trying to implement a feature on the page that will enlarge the text in certain places. When the text is enlarged it the tables will shift around and break up because of the font sizes. Is there a way to be able to have large fonts and still keep the tables from breaking apart?

i will post the url with this feature in a bit when i put it up on the server.
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@XikronauthorJun 02.2003 — terribly sorry i hit the new thread, instead of the reply,?
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@XikronauthorJun 02.2003 — Iv'e done a bad thing, i was replying to this thread and i accidentally made a new thread.

[b]Moderators Note:[/b]

[i]Threads Merged[/i]
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@XikronauthorJun 02.2003 — ok, the url for the page with the enlarging font feature is:

http://www.burlingtontelecom.com/~jlavarnway/

the page is still in the works, i havent made graphics for the text enlargement buttons yet, but they are off to the right of the navigational links on the header. Any suggestions on how to fix this would be great!
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@spufiJun 03.2003 — Here's a crazy idea. Don't use tables for layout. W3C hasn't recommended doing so ever since CSS came out and I don't recommend it ever since I started to learn CSS.
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@DaiWelshJun 03.2003 — I am not sure I follow, how do you sue CSS in place of tables to format a page? Do you mean by using absolute positioning/layers?

Edit: genuinely curious btw, not challenging your statement ?
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@CharlesJun 03.2003 — [font=georgia]You start with a page in HTML 4.01 Strict, one that works. Which is to say, one with the main heading at the top and the navigation at the bottom. ANd then you use a combination of positioning, margins and widths to move things around.[/font]
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@DaiWelshJun 03.2003 — Yes, I have been wandering and found some good links, definitely something I am going to explore further, though I know at least a couple of clients that I will have great difficulty selling on something that browsers apparently implement poorly/inconsistently/plain wrong. Fortunately some sites/projects I have more editorial control over ?

Thanks,

Dai
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@CharlesJun 03.2003 — [i]Originally posted by DaiWelsh [/i]

[B]I will have great difficulty selling on something that browsers apparently implement poorly/inconsistently/plain wrong. [/B][/QUOTE] [font=georgia]The number of browsers in use that get CSS wrong is decreasing and you are supposed to make your page work fine on browsers that do not support CSS at all. And tables mis-used for layout make your page not work on browsers used by the blind.[/font]
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@DaiWelshJun 03.2003 — Like I said you have me convinced, but I cannot pay the bills with altruism.

Not implementing CSS at all may be better than implementing it incorrectly in this instance.

While I could repeat 'accessibility' over and over, most clients will view it in IE and assume that any oddities or shortfall in perceived attractiveness are bound to be down to my lack of skill rather than a huge corp like MS and their 'world-beating' browser.

I applaud your devotion to standards Charles, but I am not the enemy and repeatedly slapping me with a wet trout wont change anything, I am already pro standards, clean code, etc. but I have to deal in reality.

Right does not always sell and while I make plenty of attempts to steer clear of the money-grubbing treadmill I cant completely ignore my clients wishes even if I think it is 'wrong'. ?
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@CharlesJun 03.2003 — [i]Originally posted by DaiWelsh [/i]

[B]most clients will view it in IE [/B][/QUOTE] [font=georgia]And IE is standards complient enough that any oddities or shortfall in perceived attractiveness in your accessible and standards complient page are due to your lack of skill. It's only MSIE 4 and Netscape 4 that get things horribly wrong. And for them there are simply work arounds.[/font]
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@khakiJun 03.2003 — repeatedly slapping me with a wet trout wont change anything[/QUOTE] I got hit in the head with a wet trout once...

I was about 9 years-old....

just outside of Lake Tahoe....

I don't remember too much about that day...

but I [I]do[/I] remember that everybody (except me) thought that it was very funny :rolleyes:

but such is the case with unexpected encounters with wet trout

ummm...

what's the topic? :rolleyes:

? k
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@DaiWelshJun 04.2003 — [i]Originally posted by khaki [/i]

[B]I got hit in the head with a wet trout once...

[/B][/QUOTE]

Is it ok if I am not surprised? ?
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@Aronya1Jun 04.2003 — Hit in the head with a wet trout...

Poked in the eye with a sharp stick...

What's the difference??
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@khakiJun 04.2003 — What's the difference?[/QUOTE] the stick doesn't make your hair smell like fish for the rest of the day :rolleyes:

? k
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@Aronya1Jun 04.2003 — HAH!!!
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